The Cost of Freedom and Responsibility | A Brit And A Yank Talk Business S2E8

September 28, 2026 • 00:37:06
The Cost of Freedom and Responsibility | A Brit And A Yank Talk Business S2E8
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The Cost of Freedom and Responsibility | A Brit And A Yank Talk Business S2E8

Sep 28 2026 | 00:37:06

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In this episode of A Brit And A Yank Talk Business, Stuart Amidon and Tom Chaldecott talk about freedom, responsibility, healthcare, family, and business.

Starting with a conversation about private healthcare in the UK, they discuss how freedom always comes with a cost, why responsibility begins with yourself and your household, and how Christian business owners should think about providing, building, failing, learning, and serving the people in front of them.

A Brit And A Yank Talk Business is a conversation between Stuart Amidon and Tom Chaldecott about business, leadership, work, and faith from both sides of the Atlantic.

The show explores what it means to build well, lead with conviction, compete with integrity, and approach entrepreneurship as Christian business owners.

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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:04] Speaker B: What's up, guys? Welcome to another episode of A Brit and a Yank Talk. Bitten. Bitness. Bitness. I just said it just like that and I'm not going to correct it. I'm Stuart Amadon and with me is Tom Chaldicott. Tom the man Childicott. Tom, you just had a kid, like, within a week, right at time of recording. Anyway, how's everybody doing? Y' all feeling well? [00:00:26] Speaker A: Yeah, no, they're doing really well. I mean, all the other kids very much loving on Gloria, who's what now, like five days old, to the point where we've got to tell them to put her down and stop poking her in the face. [00:00:45] Speaker B: That's amazing. The kids, they love each other. I remember that. I remember every time we had a new baby, the kids kind of would overwhelm with affections as normal. That's good stuff, man. Good stuff. Well, one of the things that we were talking about before we started recording today, we decided to make an episode about this. So Tom and I meet weekly to just talk through business things and all that space. But as we were talking through this, Tom, you're adding, or you're laboring to increase the availability of healthcare options for your staff, right? [00:01:16] Speaker A: That's true. [00:01:17] Speaker B: And in the uk, for our American listeners that probably won't understand this, the UK has centralized government ran health care as the standard. So in the United States, we're expanding our government healthcare systems. But it's not quite the standard of care that everybody receives in the uk, it is the standard of care that everybody receives. Now, Tom and I would argue to their detriment, because the quality of care decreases the. The way that you are dealt with within the hospital, which, you know, the root word of hospital is hospitality, and it says that for a reason. But you're not exactly in a hospitable place when you're in a hospital in the UK anymore. They've lost their way in America. We're headed that direction. We're not quite all the way there just yet. And so, Tom, you were looking into private healthcare solutions for your people, but you found some stumbling blocks between now and getting there. Talk about that a little bit. [00:02:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, something just to drop in here, maybe for reference for your Americans. So there's been a. We've now got six kids and obviously had multiple experiences of kind of hospitals and giving birth, et cetera. And the one that I've got used to now is if you want to leave a hospital with your child after Mum has given birth, it's not that easy. So there was like a really small, let's call it, hiccup rather than a complication. And that meant that they wanted to monitor Gloria over a 12 hour period. I'm like, I just want to go home, in all honesty. But after the 12 hour period, it would have been kind of 4am in the morning. Now you're not going to get a doctor to then go, okay, you can now go home. It ended up being 2pm kind of the following afternoon when we kind of kicked up enough of a fuss that they actually sorted out this doctor's appointment. But one of the conversations that I had with the midwife at that point was, I want to go home. Like, I don't care. And their response is, well, we have a duty of care to two patients here. We can't just let you go home. [00:03:41] Speaker B: Now. [00:03:42] Speaker A: You know, you could turn around and present an interesting argument which is, well, if this child was still in the womb and we murdered them, that would be fine. But now she's out of the womb, you as a parent no longer have the freedom to take your child home. [00:03:57] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:03:58] Speaker A: Just a bit of a flavor there for kind of one of my frustrations. [00:04:02] Speaker B: Yeah. But in this instance, the state is acting as the intercessor between the parent and the child with the assumption that you don't have the care of the child at your. You don't have the child's best interest at heart. [00:04:13] Speaker A: Yep. Yeah. And who does the child belong to? So obviously the state. Obviously the state. That was the answer to that question. Uh, but coming back to the private medical care then. So, yeah, we're, we're in the process of rolling out private medical care for all of our team and their families. And one of the things that I've kind of. So my hope was that we could just roll it out and we wouldn't need to have a conversation with the team. You know, this would be kind of benefit to everyone and a blessing. However, we actually get taxed for providing such a benefit. So as the employer, I have to pay 13.5% on top of this thing, and then the employee has to pay effectively their standard income tax on this kind of benefiting kind. So it's going to cost, it's only a small amount. You're talking like 10 bucks. But for them to be able to receive this thing, it's going to cost them. So I kind of, bit of, kind of joking, I suppose, between you and I, Stuart, before this is. The state pushes a lot of kind of paternal responsibility onto the employer for kind of employees at large or kind of people at large. But then as soon as you want to do something like bless them with private medical cover, they disincentivize it and they want everyone to be in the same level of squalor and they don't. They've got no interest in allowing anyone to kind of enjoy anything above squalor. So we'll disincentivize that. So that's where we are. [00:05:54] Speaker B: Yeah, so we're going to de. Incentivize people from being free. That's the, that's the big thing that we're experiencing here. We don't want. We want you to be dependent upon the state for your care. And this probably is connected to what you said earlier about them not letting you take your kid home. I imagine those two things are related to each other because they view themselves as the great physician, as the great caretaker. They're going to be the only ones who can really take care of your people the best. Tom, how dare you assume that a privatized healthcare system could ever possibly care for them in the same way. It seems like there are systems here that have intentionally robbed England over time of their individual freedoms. Now there are some interesting. I have some weird takes here, so obviously I hate that. I think that's wicked. But generally speaking, as a covenantal household type person, I don't hate the idea of the state assuming that a business owner is going to take certain degrees of responsibility for their employees. When I'm thinking covenantally as a household. Now, I know that me and the folks who wrote that law are not agreeing on that principle. You know what I'm saying? I know there's a distinction there between point A and point B, but I don't necessarily hate that. But the thing that we're getting out of all of this is ultimately that it costs for you to be free. There's a price tag attached to that. You can be the slave if you would like to, dependent beholden to the state, dependent upon the state or anyone else to pay your bills, to take care of you, all that stuff. But if you want to be free, there is a higher degree of responsibility and there is going to be a higher cost in the instance that you're experiencing here in the uk they're working to un. Incentivize you, decentivize you from pursuing your own privatized health care system. There's a cost, literal, a literal cost for freedom here. But I think that this is something that people who are trying to build freedom right now in the UK and in the usa, because the USA is headed this way, this is something that we have to accept. We have to know going in that this is going to cost us to build this and maybe reform, we can push reform eventually, but for now, to be a free people, it's going to cost something. [00:08:32] Speaker A: I think one of my questions for you, Stuart, being from, what do we call it, the land of the brave and the free, something like that. What do you call it? [00:08:41] Speaker B: The land of the used to be brave and sort of currently free. [00:08:44] Speaker A: Okay, there we go. So like, and I know you're kind of heading the way of the eu, well, not the eu, but Europe and the uk and we have put safety above freedom or safety above the ability to take responsibility. And, and the good of the people is the ultimate thing that we're kind of worshiping and pursuing within society. [00:09:11] Speaker B: So the good of the people. Right, and let's put that in quotes. Right? Yes. [00:09:15] Speaker A: Yeah. And it, and it stifles progress. It stifles kind of being able to bless people. And there's an, there's an immense cost to all that. In the uk we just kind of breathe that we effectively want to see the increase of like state control and regulation. And it's slightly ironic that I work in health and safety, but like, just can you describe when, particularly when Americans say freedom and they identify as the land of the, the brave and the free, like, what, what, what does that mean? Because we're not talking about just freedom of autonomy here, are we? Effectively sell me America. Sell me the freedom that once was. [00:09:59] Speaker B: Well, for most Americans it means minivans, Bald Eagles and AR15s. That's the box store version of freedom that we're sold on large. Okay, now there is a growing number of Americans who understand freedom as taking responsibility. Okay, now there's not a lot, full disclosure here. I don't see a lot of Americans who understand that way, but there is this revival of understanding freedom as willingness to take responsibility. Right. So in other words, first and foremost, if the world operates in concentric circles, which it does, first and foremost, what you're taking responsibility for is yourself. And that's, you know, that's the loosest way that I would define freedom. I'm taking responsibility for myself. But responsibility doesn't stop there, especially for a man, for a Christian man, it flows out next to the immediate concentric circle of your family. You're going to take responsibility for that family. Everything that happens, to quote Doug Wilson here, everything that happens inside of that house is the man's responsibility, no matter what, full stop. I think that's a great way to understand that piece and then to move out from there. The men who are in the church, the leaders of the church, the elders of the church, take responsibility for the church. It's their purview. And this is why in the New Testament, we see the qualifications for pastor and elder being someone who has managed his household well, because the assumption of a person who can manage their household well is that they manage themselves well. You see how these concentric circles play out. And then we move into the context of our neighbors. Well, who is your neighbor? The person right in front of you. So there's a localism attached to that. That's your literal neighborhood. That's the town that you live in. That's the county or the parish that you lived in, depending on where you are in the country. And you have a responsibility, specifically in America, because we are a government by the people, for the people. In other words, there is a sense in America in which the citizens own their governing body. It belongs to us. We are a representative, democratic republic. And so we send elected officials to represent us before the state. And it is our responsibility to hold those elected officials responsible for what they do. So now you see the next layer of the concentric circle moving out. So to be free ultimately means cascading layers, cascading concentric circles of responsibility. And real free men and women embrace that. They say, yes, this is mine. This is what I'm here for. But it doesn't mean there's this weird libertarian definition of freedom that roots itself in radical individualism, where it's like, things that I do only affect me. I only care about me, therefore I want to make sure that I get to do whatever I want, want. And if we all had that degree of freedom, freedom that's in scare quotes, if you're listening to this and not watching it. So freedom in that sense is actually not. You're not taking responsibility at all. You know what I'm saying? If anything, you're abdicating that responsibility. That's the opposite of what I would call the ideal definition of true freedom, at least in America. So there's these conflicting ideas that you have depending on who you're talking to. That first definition, freedom in the form of taking responsibility, that's what we're chasing. And I'm seeing it grow more and more in the States. And I think, honestly, Tom, in our conversations, it seems like there's an upswelling of that particular Christian freedom that's happening at least in your local areas in England as well. And that's encouraging to me. But it starts with, I believe, all of us remembering responsibility first. Freedom is to be free means that you're going to take responsibility first for yourself and then moving outward from there. [00:14:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I think an example just to provoke any Brit is like gun ownership. So you have a freedom, which we don't have, obviously, to carry firearms. Now, what does that come with? Well, it comes with a massive responsibility that you're not just gonna shoot someone. I mean, I just. I think that's kind of a helpful. You know, let's stick a pin in something and, yeah, move away from the example that is kind of your libertarian freedom, which would be, I don't know, the freedom to anarchy. Whereas, no, true freedom inherently comes with heavy, unserious responsibility. [00:15:02] Speaker B: Yeah, you're carrying around. So I'm carrying my firearm right now. There are multiple people in the office, probably at least two others that are carrying firearms today. This is dead. No one's died. Nothing's actually gone off. In fact, there's three of us, at least, carrying sidearms every day that the office is open and we're not quiet about this. There are often days where my sidearm is visible on my person as I'm walking in and out of the office. We're doing this on purpose. One, we're saying, hey, we have taken the responsibility of protecting ourselves and others. That's one thing that carrying a gun does. You're saying, I'm not depending on somebody else to save me. I'm not depending on somebody else to come save my children. I'm going to protect what is mine. My people, the people that I am responsible for. This is also partly why I'm a little bit okay with the uk assuming that business owners have a degree of responsibility over the people that they're with. Because we do, like. So we. We carry sidearms. I have cameras everywhere in the office. I even have a camera in my office that points at me all day. Because I just want that in case somebody ever makes some weird accusation against me. You know, I have the receipts and they can't pull it off. But it's also, we advertise it. So if people walk into our office on our front table, we have, I don't know, eight or so issues of a magazine that's published in the US Called Concealed Carry Magazine, and it's about carrying your firearms on your person. And I do that on purpose to say, hey, if you're Here to cause trouble. It will not go well for you. This is not the place that you want to try something like this because I'm adding these. [00:17:05] Speaker A: You don't have no firearms on this premises. Sticker. [00:17:10] Speaker B: I should have the opposite. There are firearms on this premises. You know, there's been days when I've brought my AR15 to the office because I have a laser trigger system built in for it and I'll do draws in the back warehouse and practice. I mean, it doesn't shoot a bullet, it shoots a little laser dot, but it practices draws like it's. This is, this is us taking responsibility for ourselves. Now, when you take responsibility for yourself, like we talked about before, you have to buy the firearms, which are not cheap. You're going to spend, you know, 500, $1,000 on a firearm. You also are going to spend the time to learn how to use it and use it effectively. If you're not practicing or training with your firearm, then why do you have it now? You're actually becoming a risk now. You're becoming a danger to people because you don't know how to use it. And you're going to have the ongoing cost of what if you do use it. We pay for a special type of insurance where if I do have to use my firearm, this particular type of insurance provides me with an attorney that specializes in those types of cases and can bail me out of jail if I need to. There's an added cost. You get what I'm saying? Like there's a cost to be free in that way. And we have to be able to say, I don't just want this anarchist, libertarian type of freedom. What I want is the type of freedom that takes responsibility. That's what we're really chasing. [00:18:43] Speaker A: So what do you say then? Because we've been kind of talking here about these are all the consequences of taking responsibility. This is what freedom looks like. Suppose there's someone thinking Old Testament slavery looks quite attractive. Put an auger through my ear. I want the security, the uncertainty that comes with what you're describing, Stuart. Sounds kind of terrifying. How do you respond to that query? [00:19:15] Speaker B: Well, I think that that is okay for some people. I don't think it is going to be the permanent trajectory for that family line for all of human history. I think that all of human history will culminate in all of humanity being made up of free men and women in the sense that men and women who take responsibility, who like what the New Testament says, who care for their own family, who provide for their Own family. That is a thing that will happen. But at the point that we're in, in human history right now, not everybody's ready for that. And that's okay. They can freely choose, that's one of the points of that passage, is that they can freely choose to just be a part of someone else's house, to be a part of someone else's family. Because maybe they've come to this conclusion about themselves. They're looking around and saying, I'm not, I can't. Every time I try to do this on my own, it does not go well. I need some help. And I think I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna get in line with this guy over here. Things seem to be going well with him. I'm gonna go be his gardener, you know, or I'm gonna go be the cook in their house, or I'm just gonna be a part of his business. And there is a sense in which that's good for people, but the trajectory for their lineage and maybe even for them is that they would become free men and women, that they would grow over time. Right? And that's one of the beautiful things about specifically the economic situation that we have in the United States. And what I appreciate about it here is that there really is opportunity for people. You can just do stuff. You can find holes. And this is true in the UK too. For some reason. There seems to be kind of a mental block in the UK about this. You've overcome it and that's wonderful and I hope that many, many more do. There's less of that in the United States, but you can just look around the market and find holes and meet a need and you win. I watched a video yesterday about, I can't remember the guy's name, but he was a second string football player. He basically played on their practice squads and he didn't actually play full time. So in his spare time he built out a YouTube channel, got a massive following, started developing a product line of footballs that met a particular hole in the market that wasn't being satisfied. Basically mid tier football's not professional grade and not cheap crap. He was like, let me make just a good middle product. And he made it. And now I think their company is slated to be something crazy like a hundred million dollar company in the next four to five years and their business is only two years old. He found a hole in the market, you know what I'm saying? There's opportunity here for people who are willing to look around, see who needs to be Served, take responsibility and deploy. And I appreciate that about my country. I appreciate that about the DNA of who we are. Let's keep that going. It's a good thing. [00:22:31] Speaker A: What's the blessing that you receive from taking on that freedom? Why do it? [00:22:38] Speaker B: Well, first off, it's Christian. It's your responsibility to provide for your people. So first and foremost, it's right there. So if you have a family, that's your job. And out of that comes. The God of the universe, says, if you obey me, I will bless you. [00:22:55] Speaker A: Okay? [00:22:56] Speaker B: And if you don't, you'll get cursed. And actually, I said this recently in a brand video that we made for. I think I sent it to you earlier in a brand video that we made. Like, the God of the Bible promises to bless and to curse. And I want his blessings, and I want his blessings for everybody else that I work with, clients, employees, all of them, which means that first and foremost, we have to make sure that we. We obey now, exactly what those tangible blessings look like. I think it's. Sometimes it is very clearly things that you can just see, like God is obviously pouring financial resources into that family for them to be faithful with, or God is just pouring influence into this family or into this church because they were faithful, faithful with little, and God is just giving them more. You can see it sometimes like that, but there's also sometimes moments where you can't see it, but you can experience it. Like, you know, when you walk into a household or to a business that has the blessing of God on it, like, you just know it's in order. People are happy to be there. There's a camaraderie among the. Among the family members or among the employees. Like, there's. There's good. I don't know what you would call that a good spirit, for lack of sounding like a charismatic, you know, but there's a. There's a good thing there that people can experience and be a part of. So I think you can see it tangibly, and sometimes it's just something that you can actually experience when you. When you walk into it. But the blessings of God are very real. Very, very real. [00:24:35] Speaker A: I mean, I. You know, I asked you that question, but I personally, I don't actually see it as a. As a choice. Like, I. I look at my kids and I'm like, there's not enough space in this house. There's loads of mouths to feed, and I'd love to bless you with a bigger garden, and I'd like to build something where the boys can in particular can have a taste for taking on responsibility within a business and they can learn and they can, they can do stuff. So, like, I actually, you know, don't know how to describe it, but I, I don't, I don't see it as a choice. I see it as a, like this, this is what we're called to do, and therefore it looks like this. And you do this, and you do this. [00:25:17] Speaker B: Agreed. I think that, I think God gives us that at times to motivate us, you know, like. But you could choose to not do it. And there are plenty that do choose to not do it. You know, they're looking for something to save them, whether it's the state or someone else. They're not taking responsibility first themselves. I think that you and I have very similar stories in the points of origin of our business. Like, I really. My wife became pregnant for our son. We looked around and we knew that she needed to be home with the kids, but we didn't know how on earth we were going to pay for it because I was a church planner and made very little money. And there was. The Lord just did something in my heart in that particular moment. I don't know exactly what it was, but I just remember looking at my wife and saying, I don't know how we're going to do it, but we're going to do it. The Lord did that. That wasn't me. And then the Lord blessed. [00:26:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, similarly, I've been asked to speak at a men's breakfast thing in a couple of weeks time. And I've just been asked to talk on kind of how did I get here? And effectively I've just been running through, okay, well, what happened this year? What happened this year? And the turning point was 2019, when my eldest turned four. And it was because she turned four and because she went to state school very briefly, that that was the turning point. [00:27:08] Speaker B: Yeah, you were like, oh, no, we have to get out of here. Yeah, we have to get out of here right now. [00:27:16] Speaker A: Think this about this thing and then, oh, what does it say about the next thing and the next thing and the next thing? [00:27:22] Speaker B: And I think Christians, I think if Christians just start by taking responsibility for themselves and then the next, just the next circle out, just your families, we could build some pretty amazing things that would come out of that, but it would come out of that. Right. I think sometimes our temptation is we're looking around and we're like, wow, we need a Christian school here. And so we work to build an institution before we actually work to see that the needs of our family is met. And maybe the institution is the means to meet the needs of your family. Maybe that's true, but I think the primary motivator has to resonate in your concentric circles. [00:28:08] Speaker A: Yeah. We had George Grant come and speak within our business. He wasn't here in person, just via Zoom or whatever teams. [00:28:17] Speaker B: The Internet is a great thing. [00:28:19] Speaker A: After I'd read his biography on Theodore Roosevelt. And so effectively he was just telling the team, Theodore Roosevelt, this is kind of his history. This is what he did. This was the family that he was in. Look at all the responsibility that they all took on and the rest of it. And my question to him kind of partway through was, you could. This could be really motivating or it could be really demoralizing, because Theodore Roosevelt had 24 hours in a day and look what he did. I have Tom Chaldicott has 24 hours in a day. And look at how small the thing is that he's building in comparison. [00:28:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:28:58] Speaker A: But George Grant's point was like, Theodore Roosevelt actually failed a whole bunch of times and stuff went wrong and he ended up in the Wild west for a bit and he ended up here and he ended up there. And like, what? The thing that was consistent throughout is he was faithful with the thing that was immediately in front of him. Like, what, he ended up being appointed, what, vice president. And he got put in there because people thought that that'd be a way to get him out of the way. And that's a dead end role. And then what happens? Is it Woodrow Wilson? Is he assassinated and then did or becomes prime minister? Like, he was faithful with the thing that was immediately in front of him. He didn't have like a long term strategy. He wasn't like, this is where we're going kind of, how do we get there? It was just, this is the thing. And like, God will look after the rest of the stuff. [00:29:48] Speaker B: Amen. I love that you just called Theodore Roosevelt the prime minister. Yeah, no, that's. I think that that is something that we have to be okay with too, in terms of being free. Like, you're also free to fail, and that's okay. Freedom does not immediately lead to success stories. Like, there's Thomas Edison. You know, legendary lore is that he broke the light bulb a hundred some odd times before he actually made one that worked. In other words, that's. That. It's kind of like that folk tale of American ingenuity and persistence. Like, we're going to Fight for this until we get it done, until we get it right. And whenever he was, he was talked to about that, people were like, what about all your failures? He was like, I didn't fail. I just figured out how to not make a light bulb. Great idea. [00:30:46] Speaker A: This is why I hate the 8020 rule. Because people go like, oh, sack off all that 80% over there because it's actually 20% of the effort or 20% of the customers. You can't do that. Like this 20% is only successful because of this 80% over here. If you don't fail, you're not learning stuff. Yeah. [00:31:08] Speaker B: This is why we refuse to niche down as an agency. That's the trendy thing that all the agencies talk about right now. No, you have to serve your ideal vertical, which should be. We only work with, I don't know, this is a poor example. Plumbers who service contracts of this size and in this country or this area of the country. And I'm just like, go look at the large agencies. None of them do that. None of them have niched down to one vertical or one offering. The big tier one agencies do everything. And there's a reason for that, guys. And there's a reason that they're the big tier one agencies because they refuse to cut off the 80% right to be able to chase the. The ideal 20, man. Throw that away. Just throw that away and do the work and serve people. [00:32:05] Speaker A: The other irony in there is like, I have to keep reminding myself of this. Those customers. Okay, yeah, there might be a time to get rid of a customer, fully acknowledged. But a lot of the time, those customers that are actually a pain in the ass because they're not listening to you, they're the ones that you can help the most because they're completely blind to the thing that you're aware of and what you're actually doing. So, yeah, don't get too frustrated by them. [00:32:31] Speaker B: Well, and you're also getting your reps in, right? Like you're, you're getting in there to work with them and they're helping you learn how to communicate more effectively. Like, if I have to convince a client of something, that's great for me because that makes me figure out how to convince them of something. Right? Like how to. How do I figure? And that's going to make me serve my other clients better because I like. So I still offer consulting services. Full disclosure. I hate consulting. Okay. I really do. Because often it can turn into a waste of time because I get on a call and I say, you should do these things. And then it's like, okay, we're done. Great, I'll see you you next week, and we'll check in about the things. And then I get on a call the next week, and I'm like, how'd it go? And they're like, I didn't do any of the things you said. And I'm like, okay, well, what the heck? But what's really cool is in those meetings, I'm learning how to interact effectively with customers. I'm learning how to motivate them to care more about their business. I'm also getting opportunity to sell them more of our services. Because after the third week, if you still haven't done the thing that you said, you need someone else to do it. So, like, it's time. I had that conversation with somebody on a call last week. I was like, hey, if this doesn't get done by next month, you have to fire me or you have to hire me to do more. There's only two choices from here. And he got it, too. He was like, you're right. Hold me accountable. If it's not in next month, we're going to bring you on to do more stuff for us. I was like, okay, great, then let's solve the problem together. That's no problem. But I'm learning more. I'm getting more reps. I'm helping learn to articulate myself better to other customers in the future. And generally speaking, I think that I heard Chris Wiley say this relatively recently. It is through doing the mundane things of life that the epiphanies happen. You're like, oh, right. Whether that's through doing the consulting that you don't want to do or working with the 80% that you don't really want to work with, or just doing the laundry, but you could be doing that and have your aha moment of how to serve this guy over here better because of this tiny thing you figured out with the client you don't want to work with. Yeah, yeah. [00:34:57] Speaker A: And like, God's totally interested in, like, that minutiae, your attitude to it, how you engage with that thing that's immediately in front of you. I think, you know, evangelicals at large are very distracted with no where. Where is it that I should live? Or, like, what job should I have? Or, like, these kind of big ticket items. God actually doesn't care so much about those big ticket items. It's like, it's the. It's the minutiae in the detail and your attitude to them and how you're serving the person who is at the back end of that email you are writing. That's what he cares about. [00:35:30] Speaker B: Be faithful right now with what's in front of you right now. Like, amen. Yeah. A hundred percent. You are not looking. One of the things that I like to tell people is it's not tomorrow that you need to be worried about. And it's also not yesterday that you need to be worried about tomorrow. The Bible says today has enough trouble for itself. Don't worry about tomorrow. The Bible says that explicitly. The Bible also says that you keep looking back over your shoulder because of these things that you've done in your past. You can be free of that. Just confess your sins and move on and trust the Lord. Don't covet what you don't have. Don't covet somebody else's past. Don't covet somebody else's future or what could be. Just look at where you are today, right now, and do what you're supposed to do. This is one of the. I think one of the profound moments of the parable of the Good Samaritan is Jesus is ultimately teaching them, hey, who's your neighbor? And Jesus is like, well, who's in front of you right now? Be faithful with that. With right now. [00:36:38] Speaker A: Yeah, Amen. [00:36:39] Speaker B: Amen. Well, this was great, Tom. Thank you so much, man. I appreciate it, guys. Hopefully this is helpful for you as we have continued to flesh out Christian business both in the UK and the United States. You can find us online at our website, like, share, subscribe, all those, you know, all those things. Thank you all so much for listening and we will see you next time.

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